This podcast, Curious Conversations About Sex, is coming to an end.

In coming weeks, your feed will be automatically forwarded to my new podcast, Pan-Political. (You can subscribe to this separately, now, at https://media.rss.com/pan-political/feed.xml.)

For my amazing Patreon supporters: nothing changes with your membership. I’m looking forward to offering some special new perks very soon. My Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex.

It’s been delightful chatting with you about sex, and related topics, these last ~8 years. A huge thanks to all my guests, who have shared so generously.

Rog.

 

Brought to you by Curious Creatures:  https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

 

Rog explains why they closed Curious Creatures after ~14 years of running influential in-person workshops on consent, communication, relationships, and self-development that directly reached 10–20,000 people and helped shift consent culture in Australia and beyond.

They outline seven intriguing – and sometimes disturbing – reasons leading to the closure, along with descriptions of specific events and details that leave nothing out. This includes a detailed breakdown of how gossip can be a good but also devastating thing, how the erosion of trust impacts a trust-based business, and how gender issues play their role.

Rog takes the opportunity to acknowledge and apologize for their errors, short-comings, and negative impacts. They also take pride in what they achieved, celebrate a truly incredible community, and thank the many people that offered support.

Curious Creatures:  https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

From a counsellor, sex educator, and sex therapist who’s directly taught 10,000+ people how to have positive relationships and great sex: The tried, tested, and ultimate list of What Women Want, and What Men Want deep down after socialisation is removed. Herein lies your secrets to success in relationship and bed.

For same-sex, hetero, and all other folks.

Curious Creatures: https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

Over the course of the Pan-Political series, there were many great questions and comments! Such juicy territory!

Today, I answer some of them, and add some nuance around some ideas from the series.

 

Links are at https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

Rog / Curious Creatures’ Patreon page if you’d like to support: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

 

Over the course of the Pan-Political series, there were many great questions and comments! Such juicy territory!

Today, I answer some of them, and add some nuance around some ideas from the series.

 

Links are at https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

Rog / Curious Creatures’ Patreon page if you’d like to support: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

Today, we continue on from previous live episodes to review what was in the original ‘Pan-Political’ series, and also explore the question of where we’d go from here, if we were to implement the thinking captured in the episodes.

Today embraces episodes five through to nine, with responses to your most excellent questions, comments, and feedback coming in the next two episodes.

Links referred to in episode are below and also at https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

Temporarily taking a break from gender, getting back to sex.

Today, interview with Isiah McKimmie, from podcast ‘Your Patients Are Having Sex’: https://isiah-mckimmie.com/blog-podcast/

Topics: Sexuality and kink from a therapist’s perspective.

This is not related to the course I recently ran with Process Work International, which you can still buy: https://www.processwork.edu/a-therapists-guide-to-sexuality-taboos-and-kink-with-roger-butler-sept-2025-online-course/

What’s an ethical and positive sex or kink interest, what’s not?

Does age play lead to pedophilia?

How no leads to yes, but not in a horrible way.

“A dungeon full of toys is good, the ability to just use touch skills is better.”

Rog / Curious Creatures’ Patreon page if you’d like to support: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

LINKS:

All links are on Curious Creatures website: https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

Our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

Rog’s course on sexuality for therapists: https://www.processwork.edu/a-therapists-guide-to-sexuality-taboos-and-kink-with-roger-butler-sept-2025-online-course/

The free one-hour webinar taste-tester for above course: https://community.processwork.org/posts/explore-free-on-demand-video-a-therapists-guide-to-sexuality-taboos-and-kink-with-roger-butler

 

NOTES:

This is the second part of a recording made in July, 2025, following the first nine episodes of the Pan-Political series. It reviews each episode, adds ideas around what future-focused ideas might look like, and engages in juicy discussions with participants.

 

This is a recording made in July, 2025, following the first nine episodes of the Pan-Political series. It reviews each episode, adds ideas around what future-focused ideas might look like, and engages in juicy discussions with participants. Listen in, and maybe you want to attend the next one?

Our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

Next show recording you can attend (13/8/2025): https://www.facebook.com/events/1241395087140046

Rog’s course on sexuality for therapists: https://www.processwork.edu/a-therapists-guide-to-sexuality-taboos-and-kink-with-roger-butler-sept-2025-online-course/

This is an interview, a conversation, and a bit more information about an upcoming course you might be interested in.

I’m being interviewed by James Boutin, who’s with Process Work International. In partnership with them, the course I’m running in September is called “Interpreting and Understanding Sexuality, Kinks, and Fetishes”.

This conversation covers how I came to be in this space; the ways psychology and sexuality mix well (and don’t mix well!); and the age old question of how much sex is the right amount for you?

Curious Creatures: https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

Live show: https://www.facebook.com/events/1034160991497938/

Course for therapists: https://www.processwork.edu/a-therapists-guide-to-sexuality-taboos-and-kink-with-roger-butler-sept-2025-online-course/

Show-notes are below…

Links:

Curious Creatures: https://www.curiouscreatures.biz/

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

Live show: https://www.facebook.com/events/1034160991497938/

Course for therapists: https://www.processwork.edu/a-therapists-guide-to-sexuality-taboos-and-kink-with-roger-butler-sept-2025-online-course/

Mila Gaca’s Intro to Process Work: https://community.processwork.org/posts/beginners-toolkit-june-10-17-24-learn-essential-processwork-concepts-and-skills-with-mila-gaca

Show-notes:

Okay, so what’s the potential conclusion and ways forward from here? What might the next wave of the gender movement look like, and why’s this series called “pan-political”?

Why do you not speak in terms of the “gender revolution”, and… how does this material have implications for the evolution of life itself? (Sorry – what?!?)

In this episode, we wrap the previous eight episodes up together, tie them in a pretty expansive bow, and point towards what the future might look like. Complete with real-life demos of how to do it!

I’d like to update you about a few things to do with this podcast, and let you know about some things you might want to get involved in. Specifically, I’ll be talking about five topics:

1. Where this podcast is going, and the Pan-Political series in particular
2. Online live show recording of Pan-Political Episode 10/9 (July 5 2025 Aus, July 4 US)
3. Financial support: Patreon
4. Upcoming courses: Sexuality, Taboos, and Kink for Therapists, and an intro to Process Work
5. Why I stopped running Curious Creatures’ old workshops. (Spoiler: Can’t say much).

Links:

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

Upcoming online live show recording: https://www.facebook.com/events/1034160991497938

Upcoming course “Sexuality, Taboos and Kink for Therapists” by Rog, Curious Creatures

Normal registration: https://community.processwork.org/plans/1538264?bundle_token=2d522268ac225e79e6c83cf96e1f3341&utm_source=manual

Equity registration: https://community.processwork.org/plans/1538268?bundle_token=11df3f1f2b51506bbe722673e88165e4&utm_source=manual

Upcoming intro to Process Work course (not by CC)

50% off this course if both booked together, normal registration: https://community.processwork.org/plans/1538301?bundle_token=e7aad8dfb258073ac52f0d42b8a994a4&utm_source=manual

50% off this course if both booked together, equity registration:

https://community.processwork.org/plans/1538307?bundle_token=571ba451a00285641e2cd4931be943ea&utm_source=manual

 

 

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

Why is this ‘Pan-Political’ perspective so different to the mainstream of gender equality thinking?

How could anyone have not noticed that in this world, the evidence overwhelmingly shows that women and minority genders suffer, and men have extreme advantages? How come almost every article you read, and almost every gender expert, agrees that the situation is not at all complicated or nuanced, rather, it’s very simple to understand that it’s a man’s world?

How come some great points have been raised in this podcast series that haven’t been presented like this previously?

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/curiousconversationsaboutsex

 

In this episode, we explore two separate questions:

• Is the world built, shaped, or referenced, around male sexuality?
• If it is, then why is it so easy to find so many complaints about men and sexuality?

First, we rigorously (and often humorously) explore the ways that the world is, and isn’t, built around male sexuality. Two things can be true at the same time, after all. This then winds up telling us a lot about…

Secondly, why are they not always great at sex?

If you’re a sex or gender pioneer… or you’ve ever been or are going to be in relationship with a male-ish person… or a female-ish person, for that matter… you’re going to want to hear this episode.

Is there a wage gap? …It seems overwhelmingly likely that there is.

But what causes it? …Here’s where things get interesting.

Traditional thinking tells us it’s from a devaluing or outright hatred of women – or a prioritizing of men – that happens almost fractally from the individual level, through to the whole-of-society level. The wage gap is just another biproduct of living in a patriarchal world.

However, could the root cause actually be closer to home? Could it be a much younger problem?

This might seem like an academic distraction, but it’s not. If it turns out the traditional approach leads us to bark up the wrong tree, we stand no chance of solving the problem – which would seem like a strong motivator to make sure we get this correct.

Also, related: Where are all the women? Why do so many sectors struggle to get beyond about 33% female representation?

So… What, exactly, is the Patriarchy? Who, exactly is in it?

What is its purpose, and how’s it going against its Key Performance Indicators? Do we at some stage get to participate in some kind of a review process?

Is there a way we can get involved, and maybe change it from the inside?

Is it possible we’re already involved?

The default assumption is that a lot of the work we need to do to move forwards, needs to be done in gender-separate spaces.

Without a doubt, a lot of great work happens in those spaces.

Intriguing questions remain, however, around how we hold these spaces in a way that ensures they have positive outcomes for everyone, and don’t inadvertently contribute to the challenges they seek to solve.

How do we hear each others’ stories? How do we not other each other? How do we share our privileges?

…These questions, and so many more…

What exactly do we mean when we say ‘toxic masculinity’?

Where did it come from? (Hint: Closer to home than you think).

More importantly, what’s keeping it going? What do we need to do to stop it?

Can toxic masculinity, as a concept, lead us to world peace? Can it solve the gender war while it’s there? (Answer: Hell yes it can).

Today, we take the useful but politicised and weaponised perspective of privilege, and turn it into and even more useful perspective that leads us to understanding, peace, and solutions.
We start with a review of the current state of thinking, and articulate how that leads us to The Great Privilege Paradox. From there, we add nuance and complexity in a way that doesn’t negate our current thinking, but adds to it. We show how playfully tossing around the concept of privilege can make for great self-awareness, and we show that things are oh so much more nuanced than most people think.

A promise: No-one will get whacked over the head with a privilege-stick in this episode.

The gender revolution is one of the most important changes that’s ever happened in human culture. Its core intentions, its core missions, are undeniably needed.

Now that we’re 70 years into it, in some areas the gender revolution continues to progress. However, in other areas progress has slowed or stalled. Worse, in some areas we’re going backwards. After 70 years, the finish line is nowhere in sight.

I believe it’s time we considered why our progress is faltering, and what needs to change to bring about the next wave of the movement. At the broadest level, I suggest that historically we’ve mostly focussed on articulating and dealing with the problems after they’ve happened – what we need to do now is shift our attention to what’s causing the problems in the first place. This is going to take us into some radical and sometimes uncomfortable new territory, but it will lead us more directly to the just world we seek.